This is strong evidence that EU is actually working for the benefit of the general population, and not just for the benefit of the rich.
Not really, just that it doesn’t work in favour of this rich guy in particular.
Good enough for me
The problem is that we also have many of these assholes in each of our countries, with the same opinions as Musk (but perhaps a little quieter about it) and with enough resources to also buy politicians and cause damage. It is the citizen’s duty to be vigilant. It should be the journalists’ duty to expose them, but investigative journalism has been dying, giving way almost exclusively to opinion-shaping commentators.
Nah, the EU is just “less sellout” than most others. There are terrible things coming from the EU as well. But generally I much prefer living in the EU than pretty much anywhere else.
Or put another way: While there are bad things coming from the EU, there are actually often also pretty good things coming from it. It’s all relative of course, but I also can’t see another place where I would rather live.
Exactly. It’s very much a matter of degrees.
The EU is neo-liberals and neo-conservatives, just like the US. They’ve recently also stepped up their fear mongering. Guess where this is headed…
I honestly can’t imagine where I’d want to go if EU turns further shit than it currently is trying to turn with Chat Control. Many beautiful countries in South America, but they have violent histories and you never know when there’s a dictatorship again, either with or without help from the US. South-East Asia maybe? Republic of China seemed nice a decade and a half ago when I was a teenager and didn’t know it would be endangered by People’s Republic of China. I just watched M13 ride his motorcycle on their roads on YouTube and it was beautiful.
I think currently the best bet for anyone looking to escape from EU if things go bad here (either corporations manage to take hold over too many EU politicians, or Putin attacks my tiny little border country) is Uruguay. I hear they have mostly sensible policies and are good for LGBTQ+ rights (not an issue for me personally, but still a positive because I’d still like my friends to feel safe visiting me if I move to another country and some of them may be affected)
Notice how I very carefully wrote “not JUST for the benefit of the rich”
EU is not one sided, it also has a lot of stuff that makes it possible to run a business well, and so it ALSO benefit the rich, but contrary to more corrupt/greedy societies, EU does a lot to also protect consumers and human rights.
Oh look, a tantrum. How unbecoming of the richest pedophile on the planet.
I mean they could do what he asks and each individual county could hit him with the exact same fine
It works because the EU nations are stronger together, and musk can’t rebel against this fine without risking a big chunk of his profits.
True. While my comment is based mostly on drunken self amusement based on my own country’s dumbest decision to bail on the EU. The rules dont change overnight and this would result in fines based on those rules would transfer to each former member
Also its fucking twitter one of the things that my country is looking to hamfistedlely regulate I can’t imagine the rest bending the knee
You and I then share our disgust at our country committing an incomprehensible act of self-harm leaving the EU. At least you have the consolation of Scotland voting remain; England has no such insight. I would like to apologise on behalf of English and Wales for the barbaric stupidity that has been forced upon us all. And Scotland rarely supports rightwing UK governments, having a heart in the right place and a head firmly screwed on, voting left more than not. I can understand Scots wanting to quit the UK, but I’m very very grateful indeed that you all haven’t. If Nicola Sturgeon had been Prime Minister of all of the UK, tens of thousands of dead English folk would still be alive today post covid.
He may be a lot of things, but he isn’t a pedophile.
Man, I know so many rich-ass dragons sitting on their hoards that fuck children that if he’s never stuck his claws in children, I’ll be surprised.
500 million people decide to cooperate in relative harmony
“They should be abolished”
Well, they did annoy one self-important asshole.
Yeah, makes sense from his perspective. If they were individual small countries, he could strong arm them and play them against each other. But unified they are a threat to his power
It is time for the EU to kick out all these too big to fail corporations that are openly hostile to European culture. Megacorporations are a direct threat to all citizens rights.
This. It’s crazy to think some dumbass rich american can openly ask for the dissolvement of a progressive, free market just because it tries to protect it’s citizen from greed, propaganda and stolen data.
Fuck Elon, and fuck every american oligarch that thinks Europe will just buckle for them.
I don’t think that at all. and if anybody asks why I’m even commenting on this when I live in America, its because most of my extended family lives there. I share their pain.
Nothing of value is lost if Twitter access goes. Booting out Microsoft , Google , etc will be harder
They are already working on Microsoft
please
Are we talking de-bundling teams from office 365 or actual legit replacements to the Microsoft stack?
The Microsoft stack itself is being replaced.
For the OS and Office I know the equivalents, but what about GUI driven MDM, cloud MDM and directory services? Cloud storage and online document editing. I’m sure something exists but I couldn’t name those solutions currently.
There are plenty of options for MDM and directory services and cloud storage and online document editing has a million alternatives.
So if you had to build a cloud only equivalent to Microsoft 365 setup based on FOSS / European software alternatives, what would it look like?
I only ask as for companies to adopt this setup over Microsoft or Google work space it’s going to have to offer the same feature set and level of integration between components. But also have a path for less experienced IT teams to manage it. Otherwise it’s a much harder sell.
Another poster mentioned Next cloud, which I had heard of as an alternative to personal OneDrive via my tinkering with dietpi, it does look pretty fleshed out for enterprise also. But obviously for corporations, they will want tools for enterprise level device management, data protection across devices and cloud, etc so just wondered who is offering those solutions currently.
all for the abolishment of Microsoft word?
Microsoft will be easier, at least for public services, in the coming future since Europe currently pushes hard for FOSS instead of US owned companies.
For consumer markets we’ll need better alternatives still because it’s harder to convert your citizens away from something they grew up to be used to over the last 20 years.
How far along adopton though? I see a few German city councils move across to FOSS but I would guess it’s a long way to go before US equivalents are the smaller percentage.
If you wanted to replace Office 365, intune and Azure, what would your foss equivalents be? I guess the OS would Be something like SUSE and Libre Office for documents, but what about cloud storage and online document editing? What is the FOSS equivalent GUI driven MDM of Linux devices or cloud directory services? I ask this as I haven’t heard of the equivalents rather than to argue they don’t exist.
It’s a struggle to get consumers off of Twitter, at this point I don’t believe we will get them to drop iPads, Chromebooks etc unless we are actually at war with America, it feels impossible. I’d argue that will be true for a lot of EU based international business also.
They are not too big to fail for Europe. The EU has fined msft, Google, meta and others. Apple even changed their flagship product to comply.
Why ban them when you can tax them and fine them if they don’t comply? Sure, we need to be vigilant of lobbying, but there are no current alternatives to most American tech giants.
You make excellent points. I truly believe with open source and some investments that every government can host everything they need internally.
I think this could have been done twenty years ago, but it is never too late to invest in our collective software future instead of letting corporations monopolize everything.
As far as social media, they will have to comply or exit the market. I would be wary of places like Zombie Twitter. They have already been proven to interfere with elections in other countries.
We are obviously facing a lot of policy making in order to reign in our digital future. Unfortunately, the US shows exactly zero appetite to pump the breaks. Let alone pull the ebrake and come to a screeching halt like they need to.
We don’t need to be reminded that Meta and Microsoft have contributed server resources to enacting a genocide. Even IBM helped the Nazi with their final solution during WWII. American companies are absolutely not to be trusted.
thank you
Fuck this guy. Let’s ban Twitter from the EU. Nothing good will be lost.
Let’s abolish his business instead. Starting with Tesla.
Man notorious for saying stupid provocative shit every day says stupid provocative shit. Also, man is Nazi.
LMAO All these right, white men seem to throw a temper tantrum whenever real consequences for being a shitty social network (or a different shitty thing), I think X needs to be abolished instead. After Musk pays the fines, that is!
I think Elon Musk and alike should be abolished. They are ruining society. Seriously, it is that simple, these pieces of shit are probably humanity’s enemy number #1.
Damn, and here I thought I didn’t already have great reasons to be fiercely pro-EU.
Thanks, Elon!
Also note that Dimitry Medvedev, the great Russian clown / mouth of Sauron, replied “Exactly” to this.
Also Viktor Orban, the Prime Minister of Hungary, replied with similar sentiments.
Hungary is free to leave the EU if they want to and Medvedev gets exactly zero say in anything, tf he even opening his mouth for?
As far as I’m concerned, they can all go pound finely grained mineral particles.
Sovereignty returned to individual countries
Guess he didn’t catch the part where any country is free to leave if they feel like the EU infringes on their sovereignty. UK recently provided a great example of how that’s done… and how it turned out.
(Never mind that the implication is daft to begin with)
“I got caught and punished for breaking the law. Those laws shouldn’t exist though by the way 😢, for unrelated reasons of course”
Him backing far-right anti-EU parties for ages is probably coincidental.
Anyone he can’t outspend or intimidate is bad.
IMO: the DSA & DMA should hold executives accountable for their company’s behaviour. Someone is making those decisions. And all of the corporate law in the world would be abided a whole lot faster and a hell of a lot more diligently if there was the executive’s skin at stake for breaking it.
Also: Fuck Musk, as he’s a Nazi cunt making a Hitler salute at when being inaugurated as a minister.
Edit: Also, the only thing destroying european culture are the Techno-oligarchs in the USA.
Not the only thing, oligarchs from the east are also doing their part, and to be honest, oligarchs from within too.
at this point, we must all reluctantly use force to stop oligarchs around the world. seriously!
Nah you see they are silent responsible for the companies success. But when something goes wrong there is no possible way they could know everything that goes on in the company. And they get big pay because they take all the risk. I have never understood that one what risk golden parachute not big enough.
Ban it. Block it. Fine it. Lock it.
Harder, better, faster, stronger.
Who the hell cares what some illegal american immigrant thinks, honestly? The guy is a proven dumbass who just brainfarts words without any meaning.
I used to block any comments/posts related to “Elon” and in hindsight it seems it was a good idea.
He’s not American.
