Cowbee [he/they]

I’m not sure what exactly you’re asking for, the nationalists governing Russia are cracking down on anti-war protestors. The article says there are around 2 dozen instances of this over the last few years.

Socialism has a better track record than capitalism, but either way, my point is that necessary systemic changes need socialism for them to happen. Socialism isn’t a promise, it’s a mode of production. Further, countries like the PRC are rapdily electrifying, at the top of solar panel production and infrastructure initiatives, and combatting desertification, that’s the power of a publicly driven economy.

I really don’t think we are. You propose we push for change within the system, as it’s better to have a tweaked current system than a non-tweaked current system. My point is that the reason the current system lacks those popular and necessary tweaks is because its built to resist anything that risks lowering profits, so our strategy should focus on changing to a system that allows us to make those tweaks in the first place.

You may not agree with me, but I don’t think we are having different discussions.

I’m focusing on capitalism because we can’t let the progress we can imagine be the enemy of the progress we can actually achieve in the real world. Just like going up to Elon Musk and asking him nicely to not be a Nazi isn’t a viable solution to systemic issues, so too is trying to use regulations against the system they are meant to solidify and protect. Socialism is necessary because without it, we can’t get these well thought-through taxes and regulations to begin with, we are utterly at the mercy of profits.

It’s more that under capitalism, regulations and taxes only serve the bourgeoisie. It isn’t that the concept is being undermined, it’s that those are sold to the working class as a viable solution to avoid actually solving the problem.

Yep, but for systemic changes socialism is necessary. We should do what we can right now, but we can’t cause systemic change without socialism.

Sure, I can see that hypothetical, but we can’t get to that hypothetical in capitalism. Profit drives and steers the system, not humans.

Well-regulated markets, under capitalism, just means comfortable monopoly. You can’t work against the system of voracious demand for profit within said system. You can’t just pray for taxes abd regulations, the only ones that get passed are ones in the interests of the largest capitalists.

Sure, it wouldn’t be easy, but it’s nearly impossible under capitalism. What would realistically happen is the state would heavily subsidize plant based food and develop economies of scale, and increase requirements on animal products for more “humane” treatment, until gradually animal products are phased out culturally. A top-down command for animal liberation would be commandist if the masses don’t want it, so raising political consiousness would be a key part of that struggle.

Socialism will not automatically create vegan world, it hasn’t done so anywhere socialism exists. However, it does swap from profits as the end-all, be-all of how society is organized, to one where humanity can better plan production and meet people’s needs. If capital is in the driver’s seat, then the meat industry will continue to perpetuate said brutality and environmental destruction unimpeded. If humanity is in the driver’s seat, then we can actually work against what would be assured in a profit driven model.

The swap to veganism will never be instant, but it will be largely impossible without human supremacy over capital.

Veganism is good, necessary even, but more than voting we need to actually overthrow capitalism and replace it with socialism. Profit will destroy the planet unless we take control of the reigns from capital.

Oh hey, it’s the person that conflates Communism with fascism and accuses everyone of being a bot, a sockpuppet, and/or a fascist. Again, I recommend you read Blackshirts and Reds.

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You did end up helping me make my point about Lemmy.world, so I appreciate that, thanks!

Arming and supporting Israel in their genocide against Palestinians so that the US can secure its economic interests in the region is well-documented. Unsurprisingly, you go on to defend moderators that classify anti-Zionism as anti-semitism, it makes sense that you would consider the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide to be “misinformation.” Seems to me that you’re just a fan of Zionism, given how hard you bat to defend it.

Can you explain how what I said is trolling, or misinformation? To be clear, you are calling the comments where I called out known transphobes for their transphobia “breaking the rules,” as well as calling the DNC complicit in the genocide of Palestinians as “misinformation?”

Unsurprisingly, you go on to defend moderators that classify anti-Zionism as anti-semitism, it makes sense that you would consider the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide to be “misinformation.”

Check my modlog, I was permabanned from Political Memes for calling out the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide (with sources), then asking the mods how that broke the rules, which angered them into banning me. I was also temp-banned from ask lemmy for calling out a known transphobe, which the mod defended as “aggressive misinterpretation” on my end (despite the history of that poster’s transphobia). I also got permabanned from tankiejerk for giving a nuanced opinion on Socialism from a Marxist perspective, when the post gave an unclear definition.

So no, in my experience, Lemmy.world is filled with censorship, on top of outright defederation from the major Marxist instances. Explain to me how it is “free speech” to create an echo chamber that aligns with the US status quo.

Finally, I am not a mod nor an admin of Lemmy.ml. I don’t remove comments or posts. Regardless of how Lemmy.ml is run internally, I have access to far more types of speech through federation, that those on Lemmy.world are deemed not allowed to even see in the first place.

I’ve had my comments removed from Lemmy.world communities that didn’t break the rules, and have not been censored on the Marxist-aligned instances. I could say the same of Lemmy.world, that it seems in my experience to “be run by people that have no intent whatsoever to allow free-speech or fair debate.”

Calling out the Democrats for their participation in the genocide of Palestinians is removed as “misinformation,” and entire instances going against the standard Lemmy.world political line are defederated, preventing “free speech” before it even has a chance to exist.

I don’t think defederation is a bad tool, but I do think using it against large instances and then claiming to be “pro free-speech” is a bit ironic.

Just interacting with it and word of mouth, really. You can check federation, or scroll the drama communities, but at that point it becomes very “tryhard” for social media.

Lemmy.world has an overwhelmingly “US Democratic Party” slant, politically, as far as mods and admins tend to lean. As a consequence, it often censors criticism of the DNC from the Left, and is defederated from instances it disagrees with politically.

Those 3 instances are the biggest Marxist-aligned instances, either implicitly or explicitly. People taking issue with the stances and positions Marxists have, or Marxism in general, tend to not like them. That’s about it, really.