Exactly. A welcome break from the usual. Thanks for posting and Merry Christmas

Humans like any other animal have been moving around ever since and only recently we as a species have developed this idea of imaginary borders and sense of entitlement to the place we randomly got thrown into without any doing of our own.

You’ll obviously find the concept of herds and territories also in animals, to be fair.

Also, given that we humans no longer only cater for ourselves and our direct surroundings, but luckily through social security systems also for people we don’t know at all and never will but who are part of our “peer group called ‘nation’”, there has to be a line drawn to specify this group. Especially, since there is a very strict line drawn where our jurisdiction applies. I understand your humanistic and moral thinking, but still see these real obstacles in the way.

And even the EU alone does not need to hide from the US. Including the other countries shifts it even more.

It is the US that is becoming more and more alone, especially if we finally do our homework and realise our potential.

the more Europe makes itself independent from US hegemony, the better.

What better way to stop that striving for independence than with a juicy position within the own framework?

By forcing the providers to open their end-to-end encryption.

By scanning directly on your device after you’ve decrypted the message.

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At the same time you doubt that the EU is influenced by the US.

I doubt that the EU is controlled by the US. Of course there’s influence and attempts to control us.

Why do you want Europe to be independend if there is no control?

What?

It has worked out for them, hasn’t it?

How? According to your theory, they have been heavily bolstering the US military for decades. At least that’s what you want to blame Germany with, but somehow for China the same would be a win?

US foreign policy isn’t.

So you want to extrapolate that because Trump is trying to save Milei with money, the US is effectively controlling us all?

Yes, but that was not the point.

:D I can imagine! Let’s face it: if that really was a kind of super hack for the US to get their dominating military, their biggest rival wouldn’t be one of the biggest partakers in it since their adoption of market economy in the 80s.

Right in theory but not in practice.

Absolutely right in practice. Giving in to a simplified world view based on individual events is always a dumb idea. Be it that individual criminal offences by foreigners don’t constitute a general criminality of foreigners or, like in this case, assuming that the US effectively controls our politics.

Yes, like the Chinese surplus.

You do realise that the amount of US treasuries held by the Chinese far surpass those held by Germany? So if you’d really follow your theory, wouldn’t you have to blame China for bolstering the US military instead?

It is, but why should it be different?

Because observing individual examples doesn’t allow for deducing that it applies to all.

If some linux servers are enough, that would be nice.

It is a start. Why don’t you allow it to develop?

You forgot, but remember the other quote? Germany also stored Dollar securities.

So hang on: your point is that by holding USD securities, Germany’s trade surplus has enabled the US to have the military it has today and therefore you interpret it as supporting the US?? But now, Trump doesn’t like that anymore?

Do you think that influencing elections was a new thing?

No. I just think it is wild to assume from that that the US effectively controls us.

The pressure won’t result in change.

As you keep saying, despite evidence for the contrary.

Aren’t we talking about how Germany supported the US enarmment?

You were talking about China devaluing the Yuan. How’s that related with US rearmament?

Focus, please.

Lol. Your quote: “the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population”

I can see why you want to concentrate on the ‘mood of the population’ part, when clearly the biggest problem is ‘the US control the governing parties’. So let’s concentrate on that, because it is a wild claim.

So if you want the EU to be independent you have to find a way to compensate that influence.

So?

So to understand what happened, it would help if you understand what is happening with China, because it is fundamentally the same.

Except China has a huge trade surplus and the US have a deficit. Sorry, but the question remains: where do you have that theory from?

How does the $40 billion credit to Argentina smell to you?

Like trying to secure the power of a politician Trump likes. To deduce from this that in Europe (our topic here, you remember?), your quote, “the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population” is… interesting.

Have you heard about China devaluing the Yuan?

Focus please. You said, concerning your 5d chess move of America having a trade surplus with Germany which somehow allows them to put money into the military, that you thought it was common knowledge among those who read about economics. To which I answered that it is not.

Directly, no.

Even to claim ‘indirectly dictated’ smells like dodgy Telegram again.

thought that it is common knowledge among those who read about economics.

It’s not. Sounds more like an argument straight out of some unhinged Telegram group, no offense.

What else would politicians do

You mean what else would politicians do than letting themselves being dictated by the US which one is allowed to run their country? I’d say: an awful lot of things.

No, as I said, that’s how it was justified.

Yea no, not so fast. Where did you get that argument from?

Without secured resources there won’t be an independent EU.

Who said otherwise? If you want Europe to compete with countries such as the US when it comes to projecting power globally, hawkish approach but be my guest!

But they will consult the parties about which candidate they will support.

And they then comply with that? Are you actually serious?

Exactly

Did you come up with this idea?

It’s not noise but sidequests with serious consequences.

A side quest is exactly that: a quest besides the main one. If you just keep doing these and stall with the main one, you won’t have much success. When Europe has progressed in their main quest, they can waste all the time they want in these side ones.

It is.

…you say, only to then draw up another wild if-assumption from the endless box of conspiracy theories. Should you really think the US control the governing parties, we’ll have difficulties finding a common basis.

The state can issue more bonds without creating inflation.

What kind of 5d chess move is that? First, you spend your money abroad and then you can issue bonds which won’t affect inflation, because you’ve got a money leak?

There won’t be exceptions for the EU.

I don’t expect any. That’s why I want Europe to concentrate on its own actions instead of constantly diluting the view with a constant noise of other topics. Europe needs a plan how to respond to these threats and pressures from countries such as the US and China and for that it needs to focus, which is something a lot of people struggle heavily with.

Remember the attempt at messenger surveillance. The EU is not preparing to become more democratic.

Focus! This is not relevant here when it comes to how Europe should act towards bullies such as China or the US.

If Germany stores it, it’s the same as if they would burn it

It’s money the US has already spent (given to Germany). How does that allow the US to then spend it for their military??

divide and conquer

If you think you as a European (?) are responsible (or entitled) to solve the problems of the US Democrats or Syria, go ahead. I don’t. No catchphrase will change that.

Germany is as safe as before.

Germany is being targeted by Trump just like anyone else around is.

Germany kept the money. The US got products for some numbers on a computer. That allowed them to spend the money again on arms.

What? Germany kept the money, therefore the US could spend it on arms??

You should know or look it up yourself.

Classic. Make a bold statement, outsource the actual fact-gathering to the other side. No thanks.

Too bad. If you only feel entitled for Europeans you will draw the wrong conclusions.

I am only entitled for Europeans, just like any other European. Syria, Democrats, they all have to take care of their own problems, I can only influence what happens here.

Take your time.

Just did, still no.

If you want to understand the European situation by dwellung on the injustice of US pressure alone

Wrong assumption. I care about how Europe should react to pressure by the US. Just as I care about how Europe should react to other pressures on us such as by China.