My solution involves murdering exactly 0 animals.
Letting animals live out their lives until peaceful death is the opposite of murder.
Your solution involves a continuous cycle of exploitation and murder with no feasible end in sight.
So, keep the cycle of exploitation and murder going, but with slightly less shitty conditions? It’s an improvement for sure, but doesn’t solve the fundamental issue with murdering animals.
Ok, name me a nutrient and I’ll give you either a plant-based source of it or evidence that your body or gut biome produces it itself
And yeah, I agree, if you want to have a healthy diet you need to read up on dietology and/or visit a dietologist. But this has nothing to do with veganism, omnivores need to do it too.
So, what is your proposal? This is not a rhetorical question, I’ve thought and read about it for a while and it seems to me like the least bad practical option, because the others are:
I’m asserting it because it’s true. I’m vegan for over 7 years now, the only supplements I take is B12 (and occasionally D), I’m in good health. I’m friends with a vegan of 20 years, the only supplements she takes is B12 and iron, and she’s in good health. The science backs it up as well, plants contain almost everything we need to exist.
In order to be healthy, you have to make sure your diet is varied and contains the sources for all necessary nutrients, but then it’s exactly the same for omnivores.
Yeah, I guess I’m not entirely accurate, because you can get some tiny amount of B12 from plant-based sources (e.g. nori). But it’s probably not enough, so vegans should supplement it. The rest is probably fine unless you’re blasting junk food every day.
Yes it is. Everything except B12 can either be found in some plant-based foods, or produced by your body. B12 is the only supplement you need.
I do care about the planet actually surviving this. We’ve created way too many animals, the natural ecosystems won’t be able to sustain them all if we release them into the wild and let them reproduce. The outcome will be devastated ecosystems and a lot of animals dying due to starvation. Sterilization is the least inhumane way out of this mess.
our bodies need the nutrients that come from meat.
This is definitely false. You can live as a vegetarian (i.e. stop eating meat) without any supplemental nutrients.
If you wanna go vegan, you will need to supplement your diet with B12. That’s the only nutrient that can’t be found naturally in plant-based sources. TBH practically speaking, if you’re in the west, you’ll probably be fine nowadays, because most prefab vegan foods (incl. vegan milks) are enriched with B12.
I’m vegan, all I do is take a B12 pills weekly, and all my vitamin levels were fine last time I got a check. I could probably skip the pill if I went out to eat more, or bought more prefab food, but I mostly cook for myself and so don’t get many B12-enriched foods.
Most humans live in cities nowadays, and all of those humans can easily switch to a plant-based diet within a couple of years (which would mostly be redirecting the supply chains for plant proteins from animal agriculture to humans directly). There are some edge-cases where people really do depend on animals (subsistence farming, hunter-gatherer societies, etc). We can deal with those later.
Stop forcefully reproducing them, sterilize as necessary, let them live out the rest of their lives. It’s not too complicated.
We’ve done a lot of other awful things since forever: forced child “marriages” (or just sexual abuse before then), child exploitation, some form of slavery, have all been a thing for millenia. And yet many societies now frown upon those, punish the perpetrators and help the victims.
What makes you think this (or other awful shit we still do) will be any different?
All those actions are no more or less “in our DNA” then meat consumption.
And, well, vegans have convinced some non-trivial amount of people, as you can deduce by the fact that many companies put “vegan” stickers on their products, because they think it will increase their profits.
Yes.
Start with prohibiting animal farming, then ban animal murder alltogether.
It is the only solution, it is not actually that difficult, and it is an inevitable outcome of human development.
In a few centuries, humans will look at today’s animal explotation the same way we look at cannibalism and slavery.
Sadly, when it comes down to it, children are necessary for society to function long-term. They are the people who will be financing and effecting your retirement, at least in a well-functioning society. I think it is a sound policy to make sure people can have children without any unnecessary suffering, there’s plenty of necessary suffering in there already.
That feels too easy for the requirements they’re announcing, no? It just adds like 12 taps to scammer’s instructions, 10 of which is the taps to show developer menu.
My bet is that they will just remove the GUI settings for alternative APK installation sources, and require you to explicitly allow them via terminal (adb shell or similar). This will probably scare off 99% of regular users, while keeping devs relatively happy. The end result (making it harder to install FOSS and pirated software) will still be achieved.
That was the plan before this latest announcement. Presumably this will be something different, hopefully allowing F-Droid and friends to keep working on-device somehow.
Basmati is usually quite expensive, no?
I assume many people just live in a sanitized, sterile internet created by Google/Meta et al. They might have never encountered the gooner/pervert culture before. Again, when most people see “cameo” their mind doesn’t jump to “fetish porn cameo”. As such, I don’t think there was real consent here.
She consented to something but didn’t consider/understand what that something implies. While it might be obvious for terminally online people, most people don’t expect “cameos” to necessarily mean “fetish porn cameos”.
No, it literally isn’t?
Murder is the process of intentionally killing a living being.
The entire species is not a living being. Extinction of a species can come from murder of all its individuals, but it doesn’t have to. I’m literally proposing a solution under which there is no murder happening at all, and all individuals live out their lives happily until peaceful death, more or less.
Extinction of a species is not a problem by itself, especially when the members of that species don’t have the necessary mental abilities to understand the concepts of species or extinction. It can be a problem if it causes ecosystem failure, which then results in unnecessary suffering and death. But it’s not a problem by itself.
What you are proposing (keeping the animal farming industry going) will involve a lot of murder of animals, whichever way you structure it, or however many “animal welfare” stickers you put on the end products.