AI isn’t going to take anyone’s job.
We will fire a bunch of workers while delusion nepo babies try to figure out why an autocomplete bot can think critically or do any complex tasks, then they will close their buisness or rehire people after a few years of failure, and it won’t impact the owner’s quality of life in any way because they have more wealth then they will ever need
We should absolutely have a UBI that’s funded by taxing 100% of wealth over a set number and redistributing it perpetually.
Agreed for the most part, but I disagree about the 100% taxes thing. I think we should instead cap inheritance/gifts, not income. You can be as wealthy as you want, but once you die, it all goes back to the common pot.
I don’t care about rich people, I mostly just care about generational wealth.
I mean, those are kinda two sides of the same coin. Both ways to limit the compounding of wealth in few hands.
I’m open to all these ideas, and more
Wealth and income are two different things. We should tax wealth savagely, i.e., the ownership of assets, and we should also tax income, but to a lesser degree.
Just to level set: income refers to the flow of money earned over a period, like a salary or wages, while wealth represents the accumulated assets minus liabilities at a specific point in time
“What then?”
“Same as it ever was!”
We all fight over resources that actually matter (like food, water, shelter and security) instead the previous things (money), for the enjoyment of our overlords.
Seriously, the people who have power to change the outcome of the future seem to either straight not be planning for this future scenario, or are planning for a horribly distopian version of this future scenario.
Oh, they’ve planned for it. They have their billionaire bunkers. Bezos has three that we know of.
Who is he going to staff it with? There is zero chance he will cook and clean for himself and he will need a substantial army to protect himself from the collapse of the human race.
If he goes with people how long before the security guards realise they can dump his scrawny ass off a cliff and have a better quality of life as money becomes irrelevant? If he goes with robots how long before they break beyond what they can self repair? If he goes with robots with human engineers, how long before the engineers realise the same thing as the security guards and program the robots to kill Bezos?
I think that, in a world where legal systems have collapsed completely and billionaires have survived, I don’t think labor will be a matter of choice anymore. I think they’d turn to slavery and likely already have designs on how they’d do it.
But how do you pay the overseers to enforce it when money is no longer valid? And the overseers are bigger and tougher than your average billionaire?
Slavery only works when there is money to pay the overseers and a legal system to protect the owner class from being extorted by the overseers.
ICE is in a similar boat and they have to pay significant amounts to attract people to carry out ICE fascism.
Could be you’re right. I don’t know, and I hope I don’t live to find out.
Ok great. He can go and live in there while we ignore him.
These bunkers are a boondoggle, what’s the plan here, is he going to stay in there until civilisation rebuilds itself into a capitalist system. If so he’s going to be waiting a while.
Same as ever…was that money wasn’t needed.
Do you need money within your neighborhood or your family? Do you pay people for giving a favor?
Money is a way to get people to do things they wouldn’t otherwise do.
If you don’t have automation you either have to have money or slavery. One of the other is required to keep society going otherwise no one’s going to do the crappy jobs. Since someone has to do the crappy job you have to find a way to incentivise them and that’s money or whips. Don’t kid yourself into believing that money isn’t necessary, it is.
I wonder how human societies survived without money, if this is so essential for the crap.
I wonder why people do crappy jobs for money? Is it because they need much money for things such as car, smartphone, playstation? For some food, you do not need much money. Actually you can grow it for yourself if you do not live in a big city.
Sure, if one got in this consumption trap, one needs a constant inflow of fresh money.
I think you’ve answered your own questions. Money doesn’t have to be actual cash it can be bartering, I.e. I’ll give you five carrots in exchange for your help to build this barn
But what if they don’t need carrots right now, well you can give them a IOU for carrots whenever they want, and now you’ve invented money
Sorry but this is a primary schools‘ view on money. I know this is how it been taught at school and this is entirely wrong.
A favor is just a form of debt, and debt is money. It does not matter whether it’s written down on paper, or just remembered.
It does matter. How much worth is helping a friend? Or how much money for your neighbors for caring your pets while you‘re in holidays?
Don’t you think they will refuse to take money for this favor? Not everything in humankind can be paid for.
If AI takes most of our jobs, people will earn less and have less money, which restricts consumerism.
Consumerism can only stay running with UBI and that’s why it should be implemented.
Tell your local politicians that measures that give people more money are good for the economy. Maybe that will make them listen.
Tell your local politicians that measures that give people more money are good for the economy. Maybe that will make them listen.
That is always been true. You don’t need the AI.
Ever had an “AI” show up at 2AM on an emergency call to fix a gas leak? How about an “AI” to cook a breakfast sandwich? Maybe an “AI” is taking over babysitting while you’re out of town…? No?
“AI” doesn’t do anything. But if your job primarily revolves around words or pictures on a screen, maybe “AI” can help you with that.
I get what you’re saying but an AI cooking me a sandwich (also what’s “cooking” a sandwich) is like the easiest thing in the world. That could very easily be automated.
If an AI puts you out of work it should have to pay your salary.
Hell, even just like 3 quarters of your salary would be ok for most. You’d have to cut your cost of living, but you’d never have to ever work again
Or more likely it was a shitty job that shouldn’t have been done by a human in the first place.
AI can’t do my job.
I’m the guy they call when the machines go down.
I fully suspect some billionaire will invent “vibe repairing”.
Followed quickly by “vibe bankruptcy proceedings”
The current tech/IT sector is heavily relying on and riding hype trains. It’s a bit like the fashion industry that way. But this AI hype so far has only been somewhat useful.
Current general LLMs are decent for prototyping or example output to jump-start you into the general direction of your destination, but their output always needs supervision and most often it needs fixing. If you apply unreliable and constantly changing AI to everything, and completely throw out humans, just because it’s cheaper, then you’ll get vastly inferior results. You probably get faster results, but the results will have tons of errors which introduces tons of extra problems you never had before. I can see AI fully replacing some jobs in some specific areas where errors don’t matter much. But that’s about it. For all other jobs or purposes, AI will be an extra tool, nothing more, nothing less.
AI has its uses within specific domains, when trained only on domain-specific and truthful data. You know, things like AlphaZero or AlphaGo. Or AIs revealing new methods not known before to reach the same goal. But these general AIs like ChatGPT which are trained on basically the whole web with all the crap in it… it’s never going to be truly great. And it’s also becoming worse over time, i.e. not improving much at all, because the web will be even fuller with AI-generated crap in the future. So the AIs slurp up all that crap too. The training data gets muddier over time. The promise of AIs getting even more powerful as time goes on is just a marketing lie. There’s most likely a saturation curve, and we’re most likely very close to the saturation already, where it won’t really get any better. You could already see this by comparing the jump from GPT-3 to GPT-4 (big) and then GPT-4 to GPT-5 (much smaller). Or take a look at FSD cars. Also not really happening, unless you like crashes. Of course, the companies want to keep the illusion rolling so they’ll always claim the next big revolution is just around the corner. Because they profit from investments and monthly paying customers, and as long as they can keep that illusion up and profit from that, they don’t even need to fulfill any more promises.
Current general LLMs are decent for prototyping or example output to jump-start you into the general direction of your destination, but their output always needs supervision and most often it needs fixing.
This.
LLMs do not produce anything that can be relied upon confidently without human review, and after the bubble pops, that’s only going to become more true.
Hell, I’m glad the first time I ever used it it gave me a
buggedhallucinated and false reply. I asked it to give me a summary of the 2023 Super Bowl and learned that Patrick Mahomes kicked a field goal to win the game.
Oh no, money will keep being money. We will just never see a penny and finally be doomed to be full slaves. As intended by the system and those that designed it.
Then perhaps communism, modern fiefdom, same thing with more inequality, or matrix.
I think money as we know is already over. We don’t need AI for that. Just look at prices, wages and economy.
