Tbf, i dont think they could name all of the African American slaves or the millions killed in the DRC.

You know the drill: Ukrainian starvation genocide = crime of communism.

When the Turkish capitalist empire does the same to Armenians, that’s just one of those things. Feels kinds commie though.

I see what you mean, in terms of democracy being a problem capitalism is trying to solve and, also, that the rich and powerful will never allow us to simply vote away their ill-gotten wealth and power.

I don’t think that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try though or just lament that we were born too late though.

If enough people wanted to, we could change things very quickly. I don’t see why that would mean we would have to have those all of those things, let alone for an extended period. Really, you’re rationalising a status quo bias.

Your mad scrambling to not back down over a very silly statement is getting boring now. The fact that you genuinely think that there’s literally nothing Germany could ever do to be rid of American soldiers, if they wanted to, is just bizzare and has no basis in reality.

Why wasn’t West Germany invited until six years later?

Because of WW2. You’ve heard of that one right? Sheer desperation and very little thought going on here.

If they wanted them gone bad enough, they could starve them out. I’m not sure how you’ve convinced yourself that isn’t a possible option for them, if pushed far enough. I’m not saying they will but the idea that they couldn’t is just ridiculous.

Nato was formed in 1949 which was before the korea war and was always about preventing soviet aggression. No amount of pretending otherwise will change that. Britain and America had already occupied Germany after ww2 and that didn’t officially end until 1955. I get it, you don’t like nato but you’re not doing you side any favours here.

I agree that direct confrontation wouldn’t work. However, Germany could just refuse to allow anyone to supply food, power, petrol etc. to American bases and they’ll have to take themselves home sooner or later or declare open war on Germany.

The reason nato was created was the threat of the soviet Russian empire and continues to exist for almost the exact same reason.

Even the soil is refusing to grow plants.

It’s bizzare, you started off by saying “No” in a willful display of poor social skills but then went on to say very little that I’ve disagreed with.

I mean, I didn’t say that each country didn’t have their own lobby, now did I?

The pressure and the money to actually change things and control your country’s entire online media narrative is controlled by a very small number of US companies. They use this power to rig elections and force law like the above through. I understand that wi be difficult reading for some Americans who don’t like that they’re now the colonising Empire but, that doesn’t change that the main problem with sorting our own digital data laws hasn’t been meddling by American business interests.

Have you got anything more than “I don’t like this. So, it isn’t true?”

You say this as if the problem isn’t American corporations and pooled special interests bribing, blackmail and rig elections in every country they can until they get what they want.

But, if people chat privatelywith each other in public spaces, how are we meant to control the conversation and tell people what to think?

No, A.I. generated kompromat-capture is the only possible way people can receive therapy.

Why would the tories oppose thier own bill?

I don’t think you’re fully aware of all the factors here.

“Oh, i see. You want to help paedophiles do you? Why do you hate children then, hey? Of course keef comes out to help the Jimmy Savile brigade again.”

Congratulations, you just lost the media narrative and now all but one paper is going to write about how all the things that hurt every child in the UK is your fault, for the next 3 years. The whole system is compromised and they’re passengers, only a little more engaged than we are.

This makes me feel like they were in a bind here. The so called “online safety bill” was a tory concoction that took years to pass through the courts because of how invasive it is and how anyone could easily bypass it.

If labour want to stop it, they’ll be accused of not wanting to protect children.

Whatever anyone thinks of labour, I’d ask people to ask themselves, if you were in that position, what option do they have other than to let it play out as the spectacular failure it was always going to be and making sure everyone knows who’s fault that was afterwards?

Its just a dance both sides are doing.

China claim the straight and, under maritime law, if that’s accepted then it’s theirs. So, British etc. ships sail through it saying “what a lovely straight of water. I’m going to sail through here, as no one owns it.” If China doesn’t react, they have relinquished their claim to the straight. So, they have to follow up with “hey you, get off my lawn!” Every so often, the dance is repeated.

Nothing to worry about.

In other news, my toaster absolutely wrecked my T.V. at making toast.

A better question would be “when was there ever been a true democracy?”

For me, there hasn’t been. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try. It means that we need to truly internalise that wealth and power will, if left unchecked, succeed in perverting it entirely. We need to be ever augmenting it, with that in mind, with a view to playing whack a mole with the interests of the 1% and keeping it working for the 99%.

I mean that won’t work either. The rich and powerful will never allow us to simply vote away their ill beggoten wealth and power. However, at least people could say that they tried.

Clearly you think yourself far smarter than you are. Especially considering you can’t even see yourself fall foul of the fallacy you claim to see. As adorable as it is, I remember when I first found out about fallacies too, its a bit boring and it wouldn’t make me wrong either. That is if you bothered learning any of the other fallacies.

Let me help you, as you’re clearly struggling here: why is it that only the Europeans, in this instance, that have to own their crap? Why are we not allowed to consider any other contributing factors? How is me mentioning another factor, while not denying the problems at home, not owing it?

It doesn’t make sense does it?

Again, said without a hint of irony. Please get some self awareness before replying again. Youre taking the sport out of it.

Some of us are capable of holding all the contributing factors in their heads and not just ignore the ones they dont want to talk about. It doesn’t mean we don’t have our own problems but it also doesn’t mean that there isn’t another very serious problem at hand.

I don’t think I dismissed it but mearly made sure that all the factors leading to it were included. In fact, its people taking issue with me mentioning them who are dismissing things they dont like. If you’re in denial about that, then you’re probably in detail about how much of an influence America was on Hitler too.

For sure, its not like we need any help with making far right groups. However, we have help making them none the less.

I mean, maybe the rise of the far right in America and then a similar rise across the world, with a sufficient lag time, is completely unrelated. Maybe operation galdio didn’t do exactly what it set out to do. Maybe its better to blame people for the additional effect it has on them, outside of their control. I mean, that would be very in keeping with far right thinking.

Own up to your own crap if you want to fix it

They said, without a hint of irony.

Unfortunately, American politics is so toxic, its infected nearly every country its come into contact with.

Understanably, american money and election interference is the reason European politics is becoming more americanised. For example, it was regan who radicalised thatcher. It was American and Russian dark money that funded vote leave (brexit). It was the CIA who funded far right groups all over Europe. Its American, far right Christian groups who try to lobby to take away reproductive freedom for women etc. etc.

America is empire now and no ones laughing anymore.