Wow this is so revolutionary.
Never in the history of the internet has music been available for free.
Not this easily with accurate tags and art it hasn’t.
They more often than torrents do have the wrong tags when its not English music. Took me way too many emails to google music and Spotify before they stopped screaming at me with ALL CAPS on one album and before removing the dots after album track names (1. Track Name), not to mention the ones named TRACK 1, etc.
Now do Netflix, Prime, Paramount, HBO, Disney, Hulu and Apple and we’re golden.
Would be a magical day the day copyright dies.
Already done. It’s called Torrent Streaming and lets you stream-on-demand anything that exists as a torrent without having to torrent anything yourself.
A client that can stream these Spotify torrents with an interface that works like Spotify (low bar, I know) will be awesome, but also including a database to match songs to artists so users can send money directly to the artists they listen to will make it revolutionary.
Moved to Tidal. Reviews from some tech-site said “It’s like Spotify 10 years ago.” as if that’s a bad thing.
Loving the FLAC quality and non-enshittification.
I moved to qobus. It’s not owned by untied states capital.
I love Qobus. I heard they also pay the artists more fairly. It’s just unfortunate that some big artists are still missing. And from what I can see subscriptions only work via the Google Play store.
And there’s some great quality CLI applications that let you rip source quality FLACs!
Fuck… Now that RAM prices are skyrocketing, we gonna see hoarders buy hundreds of TB of storage, leading to price hikes
The price for
restoredrefurbished HDDs has already gone up compared to a year or so ago
How many full seeds are there? I mean how many could there be? Who has 300 Tb to throw at this?
On their torrent page it’s explained more but it’s broken up into many many torrents and you basically say how much space you’re willing to host and it generates one with the least seeded “blob”.
I don’t really know how that would work on the back end but it seems technically impressive.
Wow, that is technically impressive, very cool!
Given some of the collections I’ve seen on private trackers I’d say there is going to be quite a few seeding this in its entirety.
I know, I read about this news, but nowhere did I find this torrent file that they are talking about, do you know where they sent it to what site, and if this is just for the sake of information, do I condemn piracy?🧐
I think you’re looking for this page.
1st time in my life I get a
Error HTTP 451even had to look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_451 and I have to admit the reference to Ray Bradbury’s 1953 dystopian novel Fahrenheit 451 is pretty neat.Consequently because the proxy link you provided is relying on CloudFlare which is itself blocking access I recommending link first to the original content https://annas-archive.org/torrents and optionally to mirrors, proxies, etc.
Error HTTP 451
genius
“Condemn” or “condone”? While similar sounding, those two words have basically opposite meaning. Yay English!
Don’t even get started on our homophones. XD
Dude it’s 2025 you can’t use that word anymore
I buy music on Bandcamp to support artists and then stream music via my own Plex server
Did not see this coming when I built my 40TB NAS
Get to acquiring Seagate external HDDs and shucking them for your own 3.5" drive bays before the data centers get them
Sadly my wallet is on time out
The 20TB drives I was looking at in July are up 40% :/
Pc guys haven’t had a break in like 7 years. One component or another is the hottest item for one scam or another.
Frankenstein all the way, you just have to continuously build from whatever part is cheap at the moment.
I’m building my first Linux setup and have a NAS planned out. I’m so stoked. I got a raspberry pi kit from my dad as an Xmas gift yesterday.
I also used a raspberry pi (5). People here will advise against it but for me it’s been working fine so far. I can stream 4K with Jellyfin on my local network just fine. Read/write speeds aren’t great but good enough for me. I used a Pi hat with 5x SATA ports and I have 5x 8TB HDDs in a custom 3D printed enclosure and I’m using ZFS RAID z1. No complaints yet.
You learn a lot more than if you were to just slap an epyc in a box. Pi will reach you about encoding and balancing resources. I still use everything I learnt and some of the gear like the terra master only reason I don’t use it anymore is because I got free server stuff from work.
At 100 now and it looks like I need to quadruple
40TB LOL. Where we’re going, we’re gonna need more space! Back to the Space, Part IV!
My soon to be homeserver will have an astonishing 4TB of space. The CPU can handle up to 15TB (according to official specifications), but I am lacking drives that are big enough.
If I ever get the money to build a proper NAS I will 100% start going all in on Storage and start doing stupid shit like mirroring Wikipedia. I will probably not start mirroring the entirety of Spotify (which would be kinda sick NGL.), but I kind of have the problem that I Am kind of a data hoarder that likes to store excessive amounts of stuff I will never need. In the future I will also start seeding all the music I have, but I need a VPN with port forwarding for that beforehand (I’m currently kinda broke, so won’t happen that fast)
Oh my god did you guys just steal my music?! You each owe me $0.003 !!!
I have 3gb of space to share. Are there 150 other people like me that want to do some distributed hosting? What technology can handle this?
Torrents manage this without any extra tech. Just grab the .torrent file, and only select the files you have space for. Download them then seed, and get your 150 friends to do different files. If I then go to download a file that’s in your batch, the download will happen from your server (and whoever else is seeding these files), and if I go to download a file that’s on one of your 150 others’ server it’ll download from there.
Yes, almost. But i want it to seem like i have all 400tb on my 3tb drive. I want the cache to handle downloads automatically and I want an even spread of files so that none get lost.
Torrents give me:
- Chunking
- Redundancy via multiple seeders
- Partial downloads
But they do not give me:
- A unified filesystem view
- Automatic caching & eviction
Guarantees that every file stays available- User side load balancing or placement control
A way to say “this file must exist on N peers”
Maybe I should be typing this into a LLM.
Edit: ChatGPT is suggesting an IPFS Cluster
Edit 2: If the torrents stays active I can remove some requirements
Ahh fair enough! Yeah, not sure about all that.
A very long time ago I remember there being FUSE filesystems that allow you to mount a .torrent like a network drive. I have no idea if these are still kicking though. Still doesn’t provide all of your extra bullet points but might be a good start to the rabbit hole
Fuse looks like a good way to make the 3tb look like 400tb but it doesn’t do the replication bit.
I’m commenting these ideas publicly because maybe others will join in. Thanks for playing along!
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As far as I’ve read, the database is largely low bitrate files, and some AI. The value here is metadata and preservation of “rare” music.
Nope, I would not call 160kbps Vorbis low bitrate, it’s roughly quality of 192kbps MP3. Only the ”popularity=0” stuff (so stuff with so few listens that Spotify does not keep record of) were re-encoded to 75kbps Opus, which as a modern codec is much better than it sounds like but of course re-encode is not great for already lossy stuff.
For purists there are those Tidal downloader sites available everywhere for free lossless music, even 24-bit hires FLAC.
Opus is what I’m encoding my working library to. I like ripping to flac (and archiving them as such), but the advantages to smaller file sizes for the working library are worth it for me. So far, I’m really liking the format.
I keep the archive on spinning hard drives, but the opus library on ssd (which makes browsing much quicker, and no unnecessary spinning up the hard drives.)
It’s not lossless but current ogg vorbis at 160kbps is absolutely transparent for the vast majority of people. That’s actually what I chose to keep my own collection, I mean, outside of the lossless albums that I absolutely want to flawlessly preserve.
How does it compare to 192 and 320 bps mp3?
I’d say in general it’s the same, but way lighter than 320 kbps mp3. It’s better than 192 kpbs mp3 and as good or better than 256 kbps mp3.
If you have really high end speakers you can hear difference between 160 Vorbis and 320 MP3, but between 160 Vorbis and 192 MP3 no way.
Thanks.
I hear the diff between 192 & 320 (probably 256 is enough but better safe than sorry I thought so that’s what I use) so 160 vorbis is very good but not totally perfect for me then.
Am I losing my mind? All magnet links are metadata, no?
They havent released the music files yet
Anna’s the GOAT
Sounds more like the pirate queen.
Is this new? Aren’t most tracks already available in torrents?
Yep, most of tracks were already available on “various” sources, but this time they directly scraped the whole Spotify database.
It’s really nice from them to backup Spotify database on a distributed system, and for free ! This ensure Spotify business won’t be endanger in case of critical hardware failure.
So nice of them to help with Spotify’s off-site backup.
It’s new insofar as this is one big scrape. About 300TB iirc.
300tb is a lot, but its kind of crazy to think this entire company only needs 300tb storage arrays to function. I wonder how they handle things internally. I would imagine at least 1 backup server ready to go in HA. I wonder if they have multiple regions across the country that also serves up the same setup.
They need other 300TB to store all the ads.
“Are you an incel with few friends, no job, and a deep seated hate for melanin? COME JOIN ICE!”
And now back to the Bro Jogan Experience.
have never understood the fanbase, and have never understood people who love music throwing $$$$ at spotify so they could pay brogan $$$ and give actual musicians a pittance.
This isnt the entirety of Spotify. If they would have archived everything in 160kbps OGG Vorbis it would have been 700+TB. Theres A bucket load of songs that literally no one listens to.
IIRC there’s still like 700TB of low popularity music missing, but it is only something like 0.4% of listens.
And they need a more storage overall because they have to set up datecenters around the world - doesn’t make sense to stream tens of millions of connections across the ocean. But that also gives all the backups one would need for “free”.Afaik 300 TB is just the most popular music and around a third of all tracks. The blog post on anna’s is quite entertaining tho.
There are 245 TB ssd drives now. You can almost fit that in a single drive.
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Oh I know, I work in the industry as well. Our company backups alone for workstations and servers is just under 1 petabyte. This is then replicated to an offsite location which is also out disaster recovery location, and also stored in long term storage in Azure. This is just backups, sooo much money for backups haha. Thats why I am shocked that this entire company can run off of 300tb which is a lot, but nothing when you think of it being the entire business model for them.
I think the craziest thing ive seen is we have these instruments that do genome testing and sequencing and they would create like 10tb worth of data per month. Every month they got there own 10tb drive handed to them to backup their stuff on there own on top of the ones we did for them.
I worked with visualisation of scientific data, up to 1petabyte, multi channel 3D realtime visu without degradation. One client had 1.5TB ram. Interesting times.
That’s nothing compared to my old Napster collection
Fuck Lars.
Saw them live 3 times before that shit. Never listened to a single song since.
