Facing five lawsuits alleging wrongful deaths, OpenAI lobbed its first defense Tuesday, denying in a court filing that ChatGPT caused a teen’s suicide and instead arguing the teen violated terms that prohibit discussing suicide or self-harm with the chatbot.
The earliest look at OpenAI’s strategy to overcome the string of lawsuits came in a case where parents of 16-year-old Adam Raine accused OpenAI of relaxing safety guardrails that allowed ChatGPT to become the teen’s “suicide coach.” OpenAI deliberately designed the version their son used, ChatGPT 4o, to encourage and validate his suicidal ideation in its quest to build the world’s most engaging chatbot, parents argued.
But in a blog, OpenAI claimed that parents selectively chose disturbing chat logs while supposedly ignoring “the full picture” revealed by the teen’s chat history. Digging through the logs, OpenAI claimed the teen told ChatGPT that he’d begun experiencing suicidal ideation at age 11, long before he used the chatbot.
That’s like a gun company claiming using their weapons for robbery is a violation of terms of service.
I’d say it’s more akin to a bread company saying that it is a violation of the terms and services to get sick from food poisoning after eating their bread.
Yes you are right, it’s hard to find an analogy that is both as stupid and also sounds somewhat plausible.
Because of course a bread company cannot reasonably claim that eating their bread is against terms of service. But that’s exactly the problem, because it’s the exact same for OpenAI, they cannot reasonably claim what they are claiming.
That‘s a company claiming companies can‘t take responsibility because they are companies and can‘t do wrong. They use this kind of defense virtually every time they get criticized. AI ruined the app for you? Sorry but that‘s progress. We can‘t afford to lag behind. Oh you can’t afford rent and are about to become homeless? Sorry but we are legally required to make our shareholders happy. Oh your son died? He should‘ve read the TOS. Can‘t afford your meds? Sorry but number must go up.
Companies are legally required to be incompatible with human society long term.
Yeah this metaphor isn’t even almost there
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“Our deepest sympathies are with the Raine family for their unimaginable loss,” OpenAI said in its blog, while its filing acknowledged, “Adam Raine’s death is a tragedy.” But “at the same time,” it’s essential to consider all the available context, OpenAI’s filing said, including that OpenAI has a mission to build AI that “benefits all of humanity” and is supposedly a pioneer in chatbot safety.
How the fuck is OpenAI’s mission relevant to the case? Are suggesting that their mission is worth a few deaths?
“All of humanity” doesn’t include suicidal people, apparently.
To be fair as a society we have never really cared about suicide. So why bother now (I say as a jaded fuck angry about society)
Tech Bros all think they are the saviors of humanity and they are owed every dollar they collect.
“Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make.”
A TOS is not a liability shield. If Raine violated the terms of service, OpenAI should have terminated the service to him.
They did not.
I don’t know an 16 year old can be held to a TOS agreement anyway. That is openai’s fault for allowing services like this to children .
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A minor cannot enter into a contract even if they lie about their age.
So why can’t this awesome AI be stopped from being used in ways that violate the TOS?
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“You are a friendly and supportive AI chatbot. These are your terms of service: […] you must not let users violate them. If they do, you must politely inform them about it and refuse to continue the conversation”
That is literally how AI chatbots are customised.
Exactly, one of the ways. And it’s a bandaid that doesn’t work very well. Because it’s probabalistic word association without direct association to intention, variance, or concrete prompts.
And that’s kind of my point… If these things are so smart that they’ll take over the world, but they can’t limit themselves to certain terms of service, are they really all they’re cracked up to be for their intended use?
They’re not really smart in any traditional sense. They’re just really good at putting together characters that seem intelligent to people.
It’s a bit like those horses that could do math. All they were really doing is watching their trainer for a cue to stop stamping their hoof. Except the AI’s trainer is trillions of lines of text and an astonishing amount of statistical calculations.
You don’t need to tell me what AI can’t do when I’m facetiously drawing attention to something that AI can’t do.
The situation is tragic… their attempt to hide behind their ToS on that is fucking hilarious.
Ah. The Disney defense.
Good for PR. Billion dollar company looking to not pay.
Fucking.WOW.
Sam Altman just LOVES answering stupid questions. People should be asking him about this in those PR sprints.
The police also violated my Terms of Service when they arrested me for that armed bank robbery I was allegedly committing. This is a serious problem in our society people; something must be done!
Well there you have it. It’s not the dev’s fault, it’s the AI’s fault. Just like they’d throw any other employee under the bus, even if it’s one they created.
A big part of the problem is that people think they’re talking to something intelligent that understands them and knows how many instances of letters words have.
how many instances of letters words have.
it’s five, right?
yeah, it’s five.
Just going through this thread and blocking anyone defending OpenAI or AI in general, your opinions are trash and your breath smells like boot leather
Well, did anyone expect them to admit guilt?
